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Dr. Jen Friedman is the founding father of JENerate Consulting. She is a marketing consultant and coach who capitalizes on her doctoral diploma in psychology and over 20 years of expertise in non-profit management, psychological well being, and schooling to give attention to her passions of enabling private development, growing management, constructing cohesive groups, and creating efficient methods to reinforce tradition. Jen works with organizations in addition to people, each regionally and throughout the nation. She speaks extensively about matters corresponding to development mindset, brain-based management, and emotional intelligence. You possibly can contact her instantly at jen@JENerateConsulting.com or take a look at her web site, Twitter or LinkedIn.
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Gabe Howard: Howdy, everybody, and welcome to this week’s episode of The Psych Central Podcast. Calling into the present right now, we have now Dr. Jen Friedman, who’s the founding father of JENerate Consulting. Dr. Friedman is a marketing consultant and coach who capitalizes on her doctoral diploma in psychology and over 20 years of expertise to assist individuals and organizations develop management, construct cohesive groups and create efficient methods to reinforce lives and organizational tradition. Jen, welcome to the present.
Dr. Jen Friedman: Thanks for having me, Gabe.
Gabe Howard: I’m very excited to have you ever right here as a result of usually, remedy is known. However life teaching, management teaching, simply any sort of teaching usually is considerably much less understood. And in reality, most polls present that individuals imagine that teaching is is simply type of a rip-off in order that untrained, unqualified individuals can present remedy. And it’s one thing that the medical group, the medical doctors, the therapists, the PhDs, they don’t race to debunk that. Which is why I needed to have you ever on the present, since you’re the uncommon mixture of PhD and coach.
Dr. Jen Friedman: Sure, it’s misunderstood and I’m glad to supply extra readability for it.
Gabe Howard: Let’s simply speak in regards to the variations proper out of the bag. What’s the distinction between conventional remedy and training?
Dr. Jen Friedman: So remedy actually is concentrated on serving to individuals heal. Individuals go into remedy as a result of they’re experiencing important signs and important points which are interfering with their lives in a roundabout way. It may be interfering with their social lives. It may be interfering with their work life, their residence life. And so they need to repair that. They may have anxiousness, melancholy, which manifests in fears or cognitive distortions. That’s what they need to do in remedy, is repair these issues. Whereas in teaching, most individuals are coming from a degree of useful. And so they need to remodel and grow to be even higher and much more productive, much more profitable. And so they need to be reworked and impressed and give attention to that. In order that they’re not essentially trying to repair something. However as a coach, I’m going to satisfy them the place they’re and take them even additional.
Gabe Howard: Thanks a lot for that, Jen. Let’s discuss their similarities as a result of I normally don’t get to ask anyone this query as a result of I’m normally speaking to only a therapist or only a coach. So that you’re actually in a novel place since you present each to inform us what they’ve in widespread, what teaching and remedy actually share.
Dr. Jen Friedman: So one of many issues that’s most blatant is that individuals will achieve perception into themselves in each conditions in the event that they’re in remedy. They’re going to achieve perception into what sorts of issues are actually interfering. What sorts of maladaptive coping methods they’re utilizing? What sorts of points which are simply repetitive unhealthy habits are getting of their approach? In order that they’re growing that perception. And in teaching, individuals are growing that perception as nicely into what their strengths are, what their subsequent plan of action is to raise themselves additional. And so there’s this distinctive and customary thread of self consciousness and self perception. Additionally, in each of these conditions, individuals are growing connections with their coach or their therapist. Any good therapist, any good coach is growing an actual strong partnership with their shopper. And that’s actually the premise of any profitable expertise, is rapport. Should you can construct good rapport with somebody, you’re going to get a lot farther. The place issues are completely different is that we’re actually as a coach, once more, not trying to repair an individual, however meet them the place they’re and take them to the subsequent stage of success and development in whichever realm they’re searching for. Normally it’s a number of realms like private {and professional}.
Gabe Howard: Remedy has a form of a governing physique. There’s licensing, there’s insurance coverage, there’s instructional necessities. You possibly can’t simply open up a Internet web page and name your self a therapist. However over on the teaching aspect, it actually does appear to be anyone can simply determine, hey, I’m a coach right now and growth. Is there coaching? Is there licensure? How does most of the people know that they’re getting a superb, trustworthy and secure, we’ll go along with secure, coach?
Dr. Jen Friedman: That’s an ideal query. And there are some collectives which are organizations which have particular guidelines, rules, ethics tied to them, the Worldwide Teaching Federation ICF is a kind of. And folks can undergo a training program and grow to be an authorized coach or a grasp coach. And it will likely be ruled by that physique. After which they’re accountable for adhering to these particular requirements that that group set ahead. Not all people needs to be an authorized coach, appropriate? I believe the phrase coach, as a result of it’s utilized in so many alternative methods, you generally is a basketball coach,
Gabe Howard: Proper.
Dr. Jen Friedman: Very motivating, develop nice partnerships with the individuals you’re teaching, whether or not it’s youngsters or professionals. You generally is a life coach. You generally is a profession coach and information individuals in direction of their subsequent profession. And so I believe the time period coach itself, as a result of it’s so extensively utilized, is de facto what’s complicated to individuals. And people who find themselves licensed by a particular teaching group don’t essentially make it to the extent of knowledgeable coach. So similar to any therapist who although they’re ruled by a regulatory physique, they will not be a superb match for an individual or they will not be an ideal therapist. They simply obtained the schooling required in an effort to meet the standards of the governing physique.
Gabe Howard: Now, out of your vantage level, you’re certified, educated and licensed as a therapist and also you’re certified, educated and excelling as a coach, which makes me surprise, why did you select teaching over remedy?
Dr. Jen Friedman: So I’ve been working in numerous completely different arenas for the final 20 years, so I’ve been working in schooling, in nonprofit management, and I’ve been working in several organizations the place mindset has been a really compelling concept and utilized observe. And I’ve studied Carol Dweck’s work and utilized it each to youngsters and adults. And I discover it so compelling. It actually aligns extra with the teaching mannequin the place it’s the last word development mindset. Teaching actually focuses on turning into probably the most highly effective use of the time period but the place you’re rising into what you’ll grow to be. You simply haven’t gotten there but. However the hopeful place that you’ll get there, it’s actually targeted on empowerment and making a imaginative and prescient towards the long run. I’m actually keen about specializing in individuals’s strengths. I actually imagine that everybody operates with underlying assumptions and that their strengths, everybody has them. It’s so vital to attract these out of individuals. Remedy doesn’t all the time give attention to power, however once more, seems to repair various things that individuals are coping with and which are getting of their approach. Selecting the teaching subject actually helps me focus extra on development, mindset and other people’s power. Although it’s much like remedy and also you’re empowering individuals and serving to individuals reframe how they’re doing issues, it’s actually optimism and positivity greater than fixing and possibly what’s damaged in an individual, as a result of I don’t imagine individuals are all the time damaged. And nearly all of the time I don’t assume they’re damaged. I believe we’re not focusing sufficient on individuals’s strengths and the way a lot expertise they carry to the desk. And maybe if we targeted extra on how a lot expertise they’re bringing and what number of presents they actually have, they’d really feel like they have been much less damaged to.
Gabe Howard: I actually like every little thing you mentioned there, and I’m going to type of ask you the very same query besides from a very completely different perspective. Let’s say that you simply’re a person and also you’ve determined that there’s something that you simply want to change. Whether or not you see it as a deficit, whether or not you see it as only a power which you can enhance on, there’s something in your life that you really want. So that you’re now sitting in entrance of the Web and also you’re making an attempt to determine if you need a therapist or a coach. How would an individual make that call? As a result of I think about that there’s some in all probability wonderful examples of issues that teaching just isn’t acceptable for. How can they assist tease out when looking for a coach is acceptable versus when looking for a therapist is acceptable?
Dr. Jen Friedman: Individuals have habits and other people have routines after they wish to higher themselves, in the event that they actually really feel like they need to change some habits that maybe are maladaptive and are once more getting of their approach, then they could need to have a look at remedy to vary these patterns. We speak in remedy about individuals repeating and repeating the identical patterns till they resolve that. And eventually, can escape of these habits and transfer ahead. So in the event you’re feeling like you’ve got, I don’t know, some monkey in your again and it simply retains getting in the way in which, chances are you’ll need to go into remedy to vary a few of these cognitive distortions, construct some completely different habits and construct adaptive coping methods so to be at this impartial, constructive level in your life to then profit maybe from teaching. However in the event you’re actually able to think about the long run, to give attention to remodeling your self into the particular person, you need to be calm and you’re feeling like you’ve got the fundamental expertise to be useful and the wherewithal to be hopeful and optimistic, even in the event you want a companion that can assist you, and even in the event you want motivation and inspiration and encouragement and somebody to information you, you’re nonetheless working from that impartial to constructive place. That’s while you would select teaching since you need to just remember to’re not permitting different issues to get in the way in which of setting the imaginative and prescient for a super state versus specializing in the issues getting in your approach.
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Gabe Howard: We’re again discussing the variations between teaching and remedy with Dr. Jen Friedman. One of many issues that we hear so usually is that a few of the teaching is centered round extreme and chronic psychological sickness, like we’ll have a psychosis coach or a bipolar coach or a schizophrenia coach. And these are all coaches that imagine that they may also help information you previous the signs of extreme and chronic psychological sickness like bipolar dysfunction, psychosis or suicidality, and so forth. And I do know that a whole lot of our listeners, that’s what actually scares them, particularly for his or her family members who’re, you realize, possibly determined or who’re struggling the in poor health results of a severe psychological sickness. And I form of need to put up an asterisk that every little thing may be abused. I don’t need anyone to throw out the infant with the bathwater. I simply, I don’t need to ignore the truth that we do see a few of these issues, you realize, affected by melancholy, rent a recover from melancholy coach to go for a stroll within the woods. Are you able to talk about that entire mentality for a second?
Dr. Jen Friedman: Sure. As a result of I believe that’s scary while you’re coping with extreme and chronic psychological sickness. You actually must have a educated one that understands the neurophysiology of that sickness. It’s a must to have an schooling in regards to the efficient and analysis based mostly remedies that work finest for individuals with these particular diseases. You recognize, there was analysis on schizophrenia for many years chatting with how social methods and coping with these methods and with the thought distortions, these issues must be addressed. You possibly can’t simply coach somebody out of hallucinations and delusions except the particular person you’re working with is very expert and educated in that particular dysfunction. You possibly can’t simply coach an individual out. These aren’t habits. It’s not like any person selected to be a sure approach or determined they have been going to have a hallucination or, you realize, not be capable of get to work the subsequent day as a result of they have been so severely depressed. These items come from genetics and a problem in our our bodies and in our brains. That’s not our fault. And that, once more, a talented particular person has to know the simplest methods to make use of in an effort to get that shopper over the hump and to be extra useful. So whether or not it’s cognitive behavioral remedy and even psychodynamic remedy, any implementation needs to be based mostly in analysis. And the analysis in psychology and psychological sickness has been happening for 100 years. Now we have to be educated and use that to assist that particular person be as profitable as attainable.
Gabe Howard: I actually admire all of that and thanks for saying that, I simply, I do know that in occasions of desperation, it’s simple to hunt out what seems to be a easy reply, and sadly, particularly in the case of severe and chronic psychological sickness, it’s not easy. I perceive how engaging it may be. You recognize, once I see a few of these adverts on the Web, they only all the time make me shake my head. So thanks for addressing that.
Dr. Jen Friedman: After all, and likewise, you realize, psychopharmaceuticals have come such a great distance. And psychologists and different therapists are educated within the results of these and may work intently with a psychiatrist to present the person who a number of advantage of these two professionals who know what they’re doing. And a coach that isn’t educated and that may’t do the identical.
Gabe Howard: I utterly agree with that. Now, let’s swap gears a little bit bit. One of many issues that does excite me personally about teaching and one thing that I believed was an ideal thought even once I first heard about teaching 10 years in the past, was organizational teaching, as a result of clearly you possibly can’t transfer your group into remedy. It doesn’t fairly work that approach. However I do know that issues like organizational understanding, management, understanding, roles of workers versus administration. And only a basic understanding of office tradition. These are issues that teaching has actually excelled in addressing, particularly for small to mid-sized companies. I’m actually enthusiastic about how teaching impacts, I’m utilizing companies, however actually any group with multitudes of individuals.
Dr. Jen Friedman: Sure. And it excites me as nicely. And that’s a part of the rationale that I did swap into teaching as a result of I like working with organizations and with the place the place individuals collect and organizations are made of individuals. So when you’ve got all of those individuals in a single place, they go to work on daily basis. Normally a minimum of eight hours a day. You’re speaking a few micro chasm of the world in a single place the place individuals spend a lot and most of their time that isn’t spent with their household and mates. You get to see how individuals relate to at least one one other, how they function beneath stress, how they principally can convey out the very best in themselves, or generally how the worst can come out of various individuals. And the magic is in serving to individuals grow to be as self-aware as attainable, use instruments to narrate to at least one one other as finest as attainable, and to actually take the sum of the elements and make a better entire. That’s the objective with organizations. And when you’ve got folks that be ok with themselves, are self-aware, are working in direction of their preferrred state, then they’re interacting with different people who find themselves in that very same mindset. They’re working higher collectively. Everyone seems to be feeling extra glad and motivated. Thereby they’re extra productive. The group then will get higher outcomes and at its best can have as a lot innovation as attainable as a result of individuals are of their frontal cortex, is working in an area with inventive freedom and positivity and plenty of constructive vitality. And that’s when you possibly can actually get a enterprise from good to nice and you may actually optimize all people’s expertise plus the end result and outcomes of the group.
Gabe Howard: One of many issues that you simply mentioned in the course of the pre interview for this present is that regardless of how nice you’re, you possibly can all the time be higher. And there is part of me, once I first heard that, it was like, oh, that’s only a gross sales pitch. I imply, you realize, if some is sweet, extra is healthier. However you really satisfied me a little bit bit in your writing that, wow. Considering that you’re good at one thing and that you simply don’t need assistance is de facto fairly smug. I do know that there are individuals which are considering, nicely, I don’t want teaching. I’m excelling in my subject. However you are feeling very strongly that everyone can profit from teaching.
Dr. Jen Friedman: Completely. And once more, this hyperlinks again to my alignment with development mindset that we’re all the time rising. And actually, if we’re not rising, we’re dying similar to a plant. A plant has to all the time be getting its vitamins, getting its daylight, getting water. The minute a kind of issues isn’t current, the plant begins to die. There isn’t a homeostasis. And I imagine that with individuals as nicely, when individuals are rising, they’re inspired. They’re feeling good about it. Even while you’re on the prime of your management sport, even probably the most profitable CEOs and leaders in our world know that there’s extra studying to be accomplished. You possibly can hone your expertise to a fair better stage and you may take what you’ve realized and your distinctive qualities after which encourage others. So that you’re rising by serving to others develop. My imaginative and prescient is of people who find themselves positively engaged with others on this life cycle of inspiration, the place everybody is consistently rising and turning into higher and higher variations of themselves. That, I imagine is our sole objective on this earth is to continuously be doing higher, turning into higher individuals and fascinating others in betterment to make this world a greater place.
Gabe Howard: I couldn’t agree extra. Jen, thanks a lot for being right here. I actually admire every little thing that you simply’ve mentioned and that we’ve talked about. I actually assume that you’ve got enlightened me and our listeners on the distinction between remedy and training and the way they each coexist on the earth collectively. Thanks once more.
Dr. Jen Friedman: Thanks, Gabe. It’s been a pleasure speaking with you.
Gabe Howard: Jan, it’s been a pleasure speaking to you as nicely. The place can people discover you?
Dr. Jen Friedman: You possibly can go to my Website at JENerateConsulting.com. I’m additionally on Twitter @DrJenFriedman and on LinkedIn at Jennifer Lerner Friedman, PhD.
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